Re: Duplicates

New member kohn1fox has created a duplicate of the page of Giogione whereas I had already done one. He was tricked by the name displayed in the artists list which is his real name: Giorgio Barbarelli Da Castelfranco. However, I put "Giorgione" in the "display name" and the "name used for sorting" but his common name doesn't appear in the list. On the contrary, it displays correctly Giogione in the Art movements list.
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5490
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5648
It could be better to display the names in the artists list like in the movements list to avoid any confusion. I was also tricked by Rembrandt some time ago.

27 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-12 09:59:05)

Re: Duplicates

Mrs Harland Peck - John Maler Collier:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=65164
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=64872

Narcisse Diaz de la Pena - Young Nymph and Three Cupids:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=28377
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=28376

28 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-07-12 10:40:36)

Re: Duplicates

Have spotted the following duplicates: 

Caravaggio - 'The Cardsharps' (Kimbell, Fort Worth) x 2
Caravaggio - 'The Sacrifice of Isaac' (Uffizi, Florence) x 2 - dates differ but c 1601-2 is more correct.

29 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-07-12 14:35:17)

Re: Duplicates

Hi Chris

I'm not sure how I insert a self portrait of the artist in the 'artist' screen.  I tried with a new entry but didn't find how?

Graham

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Hello Graham,
You need to 'edit' the artist, then you have on the top of the page three tabs, click on the "special actions" tab, you will have a link "Connect to an image of this person".

As the complexity of the site is growing, it could be a good thing to create a thread for beginners...

Josselin.

Re: Duplicates

Thanks Josselin

I'll have a go if I can remember the artist!

Graham

32 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-07-17 04:02:31)

Re: Duplicates

Having looked through the Rembrandt listings for the National Gallery, London, I found three duplicates.  I have replaced two duplicates with other works by Rembrandt that had hitherto not been listed; 'A Franciscan Friar' and 'Portrait of Hendrickje Stoffels'.  There is still one work that needs to be deleted:  Portrait of Margaretha de Geer, Wife of Jacob Trip.  I have replaced the image with a better image for the first entry (made 3 Aug 2008) but the second entry (made 19 Aug 2008) should be deleted.

Graham

Re: Duplicates

Hello kohn1fox,
This is also what I sometimes do with duplicates - I replace the image, title and properties - even if the original uploader is still credited of the artwork. (Please try to post the link of the images you speak of as Rembrandt has hundreds of artworks listed).

A lot of images which were uploaded some time ago need to be replaced - some were added a decade ago and now look awful by our current quality standards. Many Preraphaelites would therefore need a good update.

Josselin

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Josselin and kohn1fox,
     I just want to say that it makes me very happy to see conversations like this. For many years we were effectively a two-man operation, with me coding and rocsdad uploading. We made tremendous progress, but I always dreamed of getting a second or third dedicated uploader. Now we have four really good consistent contributors (along with Irene), and the two of you in particular are thinking very thoughtfully about the details - becoming "experts" in how the site itself works. I can't tell you how important this is, especially in directing my efforts on the code. What you are doing is the true beginnings of The Athenaeum as a "community".

As a side note, I am now thinking about adding some kind of "superuser" distinction. Superusers would be able to delete things. This will take some effort because instead of deleting the code will actually "inactivate" items, and I'll need tools to monitor that for malicious behaviour and to restore items where needed. But one it's in place, I can add both of you to the superusers list so you'd be able to clean up duplicates yourselves when you find them. I'm not sure how long that will take me for artworks, museums, and people - maybe six months along with my other tasks? But your discussions have convinced me.

Once again, thanks!

-- Chris

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Chris, you're very welcome.  On the subject of duplicates, I see the possibility of malicious use or mistakes.  Personally, I am more than happy to simply report them as I come across duplications.  But I leave you, the expert, to decide what action you wish to take.

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Thanks a lot Chris!

chris_mccormick wrote:

  For many years we were effectively a two-man operation, with me coding and rocsdad uploading.

I must say that I am very impressed by the longevity of this website. 11 years on the Internet! That can sort you among the brontosaurs of the web. I also read the 'diary' of the site, which has started in 2002, and I felt like an Internet archaeologist. It is so strange to see how it worked a decade ago. :-)
Josselin

Re: Duplicates

There is a strange "Public collection" in the Museum list:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1506
I think it comes from the ARC which sometimes locates artworks in "Public collection". I recommend deletion.

Re: Duplicates

Hello Josselin and kohn1fox,
    I think I have taken care of all of the duplicates, with the exception of the Tate Britain and Tate Modern (they are two different museums). I also got rid of the "Public Collection" entry, moving the three artworks so categorised into "Unknown".

- Chris

39 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-04 07:00:46)

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Kenwood House :
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1551
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=533

La Patronne
Amedeo Modigliani:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=40164
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=40165

Museu Calouste Gulbenkian:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=335
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=44

40 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-08-02 04:15:27)

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Hello Chris,  I have been away for the past two weeks (managed to visit the Hermitage in St Petersburg).  In respect of Tate London, I was starting to distinguish the two galleries by switching works between the two.  For example some of the French Impressionists were shown under Tate Britain;  this is incorrect as Tate Britain is for British works and artists who worked in the UK (examples Sargent and Whistler).  However, the confusion comes with 20th and 21st century British works as to whether they belong in Tate Britain or Tate Modern.

Currently Tate Britain is showing many more displays than Tate Modern.  What's more, there are two more Tates (in Liverpool and St Ives, Cornwall) and this confuses the arrangement even more, as some of the Tate's collection has been dispersed to the provincial galleries (and problematically on a revolving basis).

Perhaps it would be best just to put all works under simply 'Tate - UK'?  What do you/Josselin think? I am happy to do this.

41 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-02 05:18:37)

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Hello kohn1fox,
This is basically the same problem than with the German museum system: there is a general body (the "Tate") which rules several dependencies (four in this case) and its belongings often travel among them.
Therefore it would be very difficult to actualize yearly the changes within the collections displayed in each gallery.
I indeed agree with the creation of an unspecified "Tate", which would merge all the collections of the current four Tates on  the Athenaeum. Nevertheless, these galleries usually have a "permanent" collection, so we should keep the four detailed pages. In fact, the "travelling" objects would only be displayed in the "Tate". It could work like the movement/sub-movements system.
I don't have a better solution for this museum system. The German system seems not to have too much travelling objects among its collections as each Land has its own system. So there are an old masters gallery, a new masters, contemporary... in each Land but objects don't need to travel from one gallery to another. This system also exists in Italy and to some extent in France.


Josselin

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Chris/Josselin,

There's another repetition I have found concerning multiple entries for Glasgow Museums.  There are 3 major art collections in Glasgow, all of which have separate entries here:  Burrell (32 entries), Kelvingrove (49 entries) and Hunterian (84 entries).  Unfortunately, there is also an entry for Glasgow Art Gallery and Museum ( 182 entries).  This is officially Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum. Several of the entries are duplicates.  Since Glasgow Art Gallery and Museum has the most entries it might be better to merge all entries under this category and rename it 'Glasgow Museums (plural) with the name of the institution in the window description, example:  Glasgow Museums, 'Located in Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum'.  I can then list those duplicates for removal.

I have visited all three institutions.  Glasgow Art Gallery and Museum is officially the Kelvingrove Museum.  There is also a small number of important works in Pollock House (close to the Burrell) and also held by the Glasgow authorities but not always on display. 

I am happy to manage this task subject to your views. 

This is similar to the German collections highlighted by Josselin.

Graham

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I think this is also the case for the Royal collection, with three galleries located in Hampton Court, Windsor Castle and a third unspecified 'Royal collection' which may be Buckingham Palace:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=505
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=861
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=531

44 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-02 13:07:39)

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I also found a strange "Collection of the artist": http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1570
which cannot be considered as a museum. It belongs to the Private collection category.

There is a museum created for Sotheby's : http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1849
to be merged with Private collection.

Re: Duplicates

Josselin

With regard to the Royal Collection, some of the exhibits are permanently displayed at Hampton Court Palace and Windsor Castle.  But many are also displayed at Buckingham Palace, which has the Picture Gallery.  These can be viewed by the general public when the Palace is open to the public in July and August.  Otherwise there is an exhibition of the Royal Collection which changes and is held at the Queen's Gallery (in London). This consists of selected items from all royal residences and is usually on a theme, e.g. Holland in the 17th Century etc.

I consider that the Royal Collection should have been left as that rather than splitting it up into different locations.  Officially it belongs to the nation and not the monarch.  I think that it is okay as is.  It should be assumed that art works that are described as simply 'Royal Collection' are at Buckingham Palace, so it's okay.

Graham

46 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-08-04 05:08:25)

Re: Duplicates

Hi Chris & Josselin

Spotted the following duplicates under MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS, BOSTON:

Rembrandt - 'Artist in his Workshop' (1629) and under 1620s (page 6)

Van Gogh - 'Ravine' (to be deleted) and 'Le Peiroulets Ravine'

Joseph DeCamp - 'The Guitar Player' (1908)

Edward Hopper - 'Lighthouse and Buildings (1927) - the later entry made 23.1.2006 entitled 'Portland Head'

Also under NATIONAL GALLERIES OF SCOTLAND - EDINBURGH:
Berthe Morisot - 'Woman and Child in a Garden'

Sorry but I don't know how to make the links!

Graham

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kohn1fox wrote:

Sorry but I don't know how to make the links!

Hello Graham,

You just need to make a right click in the address bar of the artwork, then "copy" and "paste" it here.

Josselin

48 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-08-04 07:08:54)

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Thanks Josselin and action for Chris.

I have now sorted out the confusion over Glasgow Museums.  I have transferred works of art to their rightful homes between Kelvingrove/Burrell and Glasgow Museum.  The latter is actually the Glasgow Museums Resource centre (GMRC), which I have renamed as such.  Many of the works that were listed under this category belonged in one of the two museums mentioned above as of being of significance.  Examples are Degas' several important pastels that belong to the Burrell Collection. The majority of the artists and their works held in the GMRC are not of the first rank and less important.

There are however some duplicates that need to be deleted.  These are:

In GMRC

Rembrandt - Self Portrait with Wide-Brimmed Hat (to delete as already in Burrell Collection)

Degas - The Rehearsal (already in the Burrell)

Cezanne - Chateau du Medan (already in the Burrell)

Monet - View of Ventimiglia (1884) (In the Kelvingrove Museum and Art Gallery)

KELVINGROVE MUSEUM AND ART GALLERY

Monet - Landscape at Vetheuil (1880) - I transferred ownership to Kelvingrove and then realised that I had entered this work earlier.  Two entries in Kelvingrove now exits. The earlier entry should be deleted as the colour definition is not so accurate.

I think that's it for now!

Graham

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Josselin

Really sorry to sound ignorant but where do I locate the address bar of the work? 

I have opened the work in question but still unsure!

Thanks, Graham

Re: Duplicates

kohn1fox wrote:

Josselin

Really sorry to sound ignorant but where do I locate the address bar of the work? 

I have opened the work in question but still unsure!

Thanks, Graham

On the top of the page, just under the name of the artwork you have an horizontal box where the address is written; it starts with: "http://www.the-athenaeum.org/..."
You can also watch here : http://www.christosebastin.com/wp-conte … essbar.png

It is however possible that your web browser doesn't display the address bar; if it is the case, tell me which browser you use (Firefox, Internet explorer, Chrome...).