1 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-17 00:53:08)

Topic: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Chris,
As I have uploaded pictures from the 18th century, I have often found that they were exhibited in the Paris Salon, which shaped the painting life in France in the 18-19th centuries. It took place in the Salon Carré of the Louvre Palace from 1737 to 1880, hence the name. We even have some pictures of the paintings disposal in the Salon in etching like this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: … e_1787.jpg
And the catalogues of the Salons for each year are available online. I think this could be very interesting for scholars to have a list of the paintings presented there to see the evolution of the official arts through the centuries.

So I created an exhibition for the Salon of 1789 (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2321), and I would have liked to add 'The Lictors Returning to Brutus the Bodies of his Sons' of David (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=65340) but there is a bug, it displays this on the top of the page:
Warning: pg_query() [function.pg-query]: Query failed: ERROR: syntax error at end of input at character 56 in /home/pallas/public_html/ex/add_item.php on line 88

Warning: pg_fetch_array() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/pallas/public_html/ex/add_item.php on line 91

If you can to fix this problem I will be able to add all the the Salon exhibitions and start adding images to them.
Josselin

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Josselin,
     You've probably noticed that the exhibition code is overall half-baked at this point. Just now I was able to complete the code to add an artwork to an exhibition from the artwork edit page (it was hanging on the lot number), but it still doesn't work in the reverse direction: from the exhibition page you can search for artworks, but there is no form to add them; instead it links to the artwork display page in that tiny window. :-)

The display of exhibition history on an artwork's page also leaves something to be desired (see the one you referenced, which I entered).

I would have been finished ages ago, but got bogged down in handling exhibitions with multiple stops, and moved on to other things.

So for now, it should work well enough with single venue exhibitions, and adding artworks to them from the artwork page (but not the exhibition page). I think that getting it truly completed and polished is probably a task for this autumn. But if you continue to have show-stopping bugs in the current basic functions, let me know and I'll fix them.

As an aside, I totally agree with you on the potential here. We could be a great resource for scholars if we start building lists of the old salons and RA exhibitions. That kind of thing will draw in a lot more experts to the site, and will legitimise us, as well as recruiting more "data editors" - which can only be a good thing!

Thanks,
Chris

3 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-11 08:13:24)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Ok, I can add the Salons for each year, at least.

The edit page doesn't work and I created a duplicate with the Salon of 1757:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2349
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2350

It makes me think that all the small post-impressionist and expressionist group usually met around an exhibition for several years; some catalogues must still exist for them. As the Athenaeum's records of these artists are pretty important, maybe we could do a good job with linking them to the exhibition. On the contrary, records are scarce for 18th century as many paintings have disappeared or because Continental European museums don't put online reproductions of their holdings - except for the very famous masters.

4 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-14 14:48:48)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Chris,

I tried to add some paintings to the Salon of 1847 by reading the catalogue (http://books.google.fr/books?id=gRVKAAAAcAAJ). You can measure the work left to be done on the Athenaeum as about 95% of the artists mentioned in the catalogue are not recorded on the site!

Moreover, most of the artworks listed in the catalogue just have a short title without description. It's tricky because the title could have changed since and/or is not enough to identify which artwork was presented. For instance, Delacroix exhibited a Christ on the Cross, but as he made several paintings on this subject these years, I don't know which one was exposed..

You should prevent from posting the same image in the same salon; I created a duplicate that I can't cancel (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2388). The editing page doesn't work for an exhibition or an picture associated with an exhibition.
Then, you should also integrate a sorting tool (by lots or artist) and an artworks count next to each entry in the page of the Louvre (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=793).

Josselin

Re: Salons and exhibitions

I had slightly better results with the salons of 1747, 1765 and 1863:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2339
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2358
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2407

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Josselin,
    I've put in a bit of work on the exhibition forms, which are pretty complicated. So far I have the editing form looking pretty good, even for exhibitions with multiple stops. You can see an example with more than one stop here:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/inst/addex … 2&m=e1

I have not coded the form handler yet, so if you click "Submit" on this form, it won't work.. Hopefully I will complete that tonight. The challenge is handling an undetermined number of stops, and naming variables with auto-generated stop numbers. Nasty stuff. I also need to update the style of the calendar picker to fit with the style of the rest of the form.

But it's coming along, and soon you should find this task easier.

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Ok, so I put in some more work this evening, and I remember now why I got frustrated - this is the most complicated form on the site, I think. I made progress on a lot of it, though. I'm hopeful I'll finish tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay! :-)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Ok, so after MUCH more work than I thought, I now have a good form for adding and editing exhibitions, including traveling exhibitions with multiple stops.  I've tried to test all the functions in multiple ways and with multiple browsers (except Internet Explorer).

Can you do some work with exhibitions or Salons, and let me know if you find any bugs?

Thanks,
Chris

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Good job Chris!

Here are my observations. The edit page still doesn't work. When I edit an exhibition, the page doesn't open anymore: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2385

I would like to have the possibility to edit artworks linked with exhibition. For instance, I forgot to put the lot number and I cannot add it.
Then you should prevent an artwork to be linked two times in the same exhibition, I created a duplicate there: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2388

At last, it would help me to display the number of artworks displayed next to the name of an exhibition to know which salon I already did, because with 200+ exhibitions, it's difficult to recall all of them.

Josselin

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Ok, try again when you can?

Will work on display of exhibitions in lists and editing individual artworks soon.

-- Chris

Re: Salons and exhibitions

I added item counts in the exhibition list on museum pages. Look at the page for the Louvre as an example.

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Ok, now I can edit exhibitions. Thank you.

Re: Salons and exhibitions

I had a good result with the Salon of 1765: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2358

14 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-22 04:10:43)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Chris,
It would also help me to display the exhibitions associated with an item in the artwork list. There is an empty side on the right, maybe you can just display "Salon of 1XXX" there.

As I said before, the problem with the Salons is that records of artists from the 17th to the 19th century are poor on the site and even on the Internet (the problem with European museums I already mentioned); usually only a dozen of pictures is of good quality for an average artist. Even with François Boucher, for whom I added more than 160 pictures, there are a lot of artworks missing according to the catalogues.
I could have better results with the exhibitions held by avant-garde groups, thanks to the tremendous records here, but the catalogues seem to be copyrighted, even for the Salon des Refusés of 1863.

Josselin

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Josselin,
     Remember that you can also enter artwork records without images, and people can add images later when they become available. I need to create some pages to prompt members for how they can contribute to the site, but one such task would be "Artworks which need an image, or need a better quality image." So we could go ahead and put in records, and have the list for people to contribute images if they have them.

-- Chris

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Josselin,
     I've done some more work on the detail pages for exhibitions, which are now formatted pretty nicely. If it's a single-stop exhibition, there is a tab showing all exhibitions for that museum.

Next steps are to add editing functions for individual items (so you can update lot numbers), a thorough reformatting of the exhibition list page, and then I'll officially "launch" the exhibition function (put exhibitions on the front page of the site, list them in the site status page, etc).

There are a few other things I can think to add (such as links to catalogs, who curated the exhibition) but those are lower priority. Can you think of anything else "essential" that you'd like me to do?

-- Chris

PS: The exhibitions are storing edit history now, but it's not shown. I'm also going to begin a page with a fuller list of "Today's activity" including edits to records, forum posts, discussions (once those come back), etc.

17 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-24 11:14:22)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Chris,
Good job with the exhibitions. In addition to what you have done, I suggest to create a sorting feature for artworks by lots or by artists (it is currently sorted by title).

I know that I can create "empty" artwork which appears in a catalogue in order to ask another member to fill it with an image, but there are still three problems:
1/ Some paintings are neither described nor named in the catalogues; I often find this commentary: "several paintings under the same number". Therefore it is impossible to know which and even how many paintings were displayed.
2/ Some paintings have disappeared. Do I have to create an empty artwork with the name of the lost painting in the catalogue?
3/ Some paintings have disappeared but are known thanks to a copy or, more commonly, an etching. Can I create the artwork and put the engraving instead of the lost painting? For instance, this work by Boucher, exhibited in the 1765 Salon, is only known by this etching.

To avoid any confusion in the artwork list of an artist, maybe you could just add those empty artworks (for which we only know the title or by a reproduction) in the exhibition.

Josselin

18 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-01 16:55:50)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Chris,

Member Seraphina has added many artworks to the exhibition Pre-Raphaelites: Victorian Avant-Garde, and it looks pretty well.
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/detail.php?eid=2412
But I think there is a bug in the exhibition list as this exhibition is duplicated countlessly: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/ex/list.ph … l&p=16

However, exhibitions for which I linked artworks don't look affected.

Josselin.

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Hello Josselin,

That duplication is a bug arising from the edit history - everywhere that lists exhibitions now need to be qualified by "the *active* record for the exhibition". So in the list, there is one line shown per edit, since each one is a separate record in the back end table.

I'm not going to fix it now, because I don't want to make changes in pages I have already copied to the new server. But will probably fix in about a week.

By the way, Seraphina is my wife, and a PreRaphaelite scholar. I've been trying to calm her down over the idea of Waterhouse being listed as a PreRaph. :-)  It's one more reason to have some kind of status for people's association to art movements; one of them could be "commonly but mistakenly associated with". haha

- Chris

20 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-15 08:58:33)

Re: Salons and exhibitions

Well, I think I'm the guilty one who associated Waterhouse with the Preraphaelites. :-)
To my mind, his style looks pretty like the others, even if he wasn't in the Brotherhood. However, I often look carefully the artist's oeuvre to see if it matches the style before linking him with a movement - I leave him aside if I'm not sure.
Nevertheless, I agree that there should be different categories for artists in the movement's page: "founder", "leaders", "artists associated with"...
Josselin