Re: Art movements

Thanks Chris,

Can you please create these sub-movements of Abstract art?:
- Suprematism, the first Russian Abstract group, around Malevitch.
- Abstraction-Création, French abstract group around Delaunay in the 1930's.
- Abstract Expressionism, the Golden age of Abstraction in USA, with Rotkho and Pollock.
- De Stijl, Dutch Abstract group in the 20's.

Are you going to finish a sorting feature by year for this page? It could be better to start with the Early  Netherlandish rather than Abstract art. :-)

The amount of impressionist works is staggering! (I counted 11033 works so far) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/mvmt/detail.php?id=10. Rocsdad is impressive, he has also uploaded many American Impressionists' artists, whom I didn't really know before. I also learn with the Athenaeum. ;-)
If you want, you can make a distinction between the French and American impressionist schools as there are nearly only two nationalities represented in this movement, which happened a generation latter in America.

Josselin

27 (edited by littlesnowy0wl 2013-07-03 16:05:24)

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Hello, I just recently joined this site but have been visiting it for awhile before. I checked out the Art Movement list. A suggestion I have would be to add the Art Nouveau movement on there. It was between the 1890's-1910's. Some of the artists here would be considered art nouveau (Klimt, Toorop, Toulouse-Lautrec) and it has a great deal of history behind it. I love the way you all have categorized things, the symbolists are probably my favorite part so far! smile Good job on everything, this is one of my favorite sites!

28 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-05 09:04:55)

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littlesnowy0wl wrote:

Hello, I just recently joined this site but have been visiting it for awhile before. I checked out the Art Movement list. A suggestion I have would be to add the Art Nouveau movement on there. It was between the 1890's-1910's. Some of the artists here would be considered art nouveau (Klimt, Toorop, Toulouse-Lautrec) and it has a great deal of history behind it. I love the way you all have categorized things, the symbolists are probably my favorite part so far! smile Good job on everything, this is one of my favorite sites!

Welcome littlesnowy0wl,
I'm glad to see someone else, I thought that I was alone around there. :-)

I was also thinking of the Art Nouveau, but I left it aside for a moment as it had more to do with decorative arts and architecture. I was also troubled by its connections to the Arts & Crafts movement which seems to have happened earlier and not really merged with it despite being similar. If you have a better knowledge on this point...
Anyway, as the painters you mentioned are represented on the site, it should be a category as well.

Josselin.

PS. I recently added the symbolist Carlos Schwabe.

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Hello Chris,
Can you also add the Nazarene movement as a subcategory of Romanticism? I have uploaded some of these artists from Germany who foreshadowed the Pre-Raphaelites (take a look at this or that.)

Josselin

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Glad to see some discussion going on here, and welcome to Little Snowy Owl who has just joined and is already doing some good work! :-)

I added both movements just now. The Nazarenes are interesting, and if you are looking for some reading I strongly suggest _Victorian Olympus_ by William Gaunt, who was a fantastic writer. Great stories in there about the Nazarenes and the beginnings of Leighton's career...

31 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-08 04:05:44)

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Hello Chris,
Thanks for the reading advice!

Can you add the Skagen Painters category as Irene has posted a great number of their works - especially Krouthen? This movement is a subcategory of Impressionism, with elements from Realism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagen_Painters

I also need you to remove Lucas Cranach the Elder and Albrecht Durer from the High Renaissance category (they are from the Northern Renaissance).

Josselin.

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Hello Chris,
Can you add the Gothic movement (roughly 1200-1500) to the list? as new member kohn1fox has started posting some painters from 14th and 15th centuries. He's done a good job since the Athenaeum is poor in painters of this period.

After this last one, I think the list will be globally complete for all the major movements between 1200 and 1920. The next additions will be subcategories.

The Nazarene painters are very difficult to find on the web as German museums seem reluctant to upload reproductions of their holdings - as Anglo-Saxon museums do; it is the same for German auction houses. I uploaded all I could find.

Josselin

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Is it normal that when I click on a movement there, all the submovements vanish? To display them again, I need either to actualize or to click on the parent movement. This doesn't happen when I click on a submovement, the list stays normal.
Anyway, as the list grows steadily, maybe you should add a feature on a parent movement to expand its subcategories, like the small plus/minus in the Windows folders list.

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Hello Josselin,
     I wouldn't call it "normal," for sure. I wanted a simple way to display the hierarchy, much like the Windows folder list you mention. I ended up buying a component called "nicetree" (http://codecanyon.net/item/nicetree-jqu … in/2735552) and editing it a bit to work for us. At the time, I don't think I realised how long the list would get!

I was actually looking at the list this morning and thinking of a different way to do it, because I am still not happy with the list (another problem is that if you scroll way down to the bottom and click on a movement, the main display area is at the top of the page and you have to scroll back up to it).

I think I'll have that page rebuilt in a day or two, and then let's see what you think of it.

As an aside, I'll be splitting my time between bug fixes/new features and setting up our new server over the next couple of months (see http://www.the-athenaeum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=495 ). I think that during this period, my main priorities will be:

1. Bug fixes first
2. Movements: Getting complete functionality in for movements (adding "active period" in a movement for artists, different levels of association like "founder," "leader," etc, some kind of special box for the movements on the pages of member artists, etc.)
3. Tags: Fixing some small bugs and improving the tools so that it's easier to tag things in large groups.

Those three things will probably keep me busy while working on the new server.

Thanks!

- Chris

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Hello Chris,

Maybe you can add the Camden group as a subcategory of Post-Impressionism. There are good records on the Athenaeum of these artists who were the English counterparts of the French Nabis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden_Town_Group
Josselin

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Hello Josselin,
    Just a quick note that I have been focusing on getting the new server running, but it's very close. I expect to get back to a number of your updates and suggestions quite soon - probably toward the end of next week.

- Chris

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Hello Chris,
Someone linked Howard Tangye - a contemporary artist - with the Expressionist movement. http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5621
This person is right that Tangye's works can certainly be related to Expressionism, but this movement happened one century ago and can now be considered as "finished" even tough some people are still painting in this manner latter, otherwise the PreRaphaelites would have been sorted under the Early Renaissance category.
To fix that problem, maybe you can add some code which would prevent an artist from being associated with an art movement when at least one of his dates is not comprised within the movement dates.

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Hello Josselin,
    I have not removed Tangye from Expressionism yet, but I believe I have made the person editing page "smarter". Now, when you go to the Movements tab when editing a person, it should only list movements where:

1. The movement start year is before the artist's death
OR
2. The movement end year is after the artist's birth

Obviously the code can only run if those years are filled in for both the artist and the movement. If the years are missing, it will not filter.

If you have a chance to check it, please let me know if you see any problems.

Thanks,
Chris

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I don't see any change, I tried to associate him with Veduta to see if the code works, but it doesn't and now Tangye is also associated with it.
However the code you propose is the good one.

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Actually, the code *is* working - it's just that Tangye doesn't have birth or death dates entered, so the code doesn't have the required information to make a decision filter out movements. If you try editing an artist who has birth and/or death dates entered, you'll see the list of movements is only those within the dates of their lifetime.

I'll clean up Tangye's incorrect associations this evening.

Thanks,
Chris

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All right, I checked and it works. It will largely reduce the errors of association with art movements.
thanks

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Chris,

Could you please add these new art movements:
- Gothic
- Flemish Baroque (Rubens, Van Dyck, Jordaens...)
- Camden Group

Moreover, I'd like to write longer texts in the art movement page. Currently, there is a limitation to 300 characters which prevents me from including links or detailed descriptions.
I also think here should be a way to integrate artworks labelled as "significant" for a movement on this page. I can write quite long texts for French movements (Neoclassicism, Rococo, Romanticism...) which could look interesting with this feature.

Josselin

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Josselin wrote:

Chris,

Could you please add these new art movements:
- Gothic
- Flemish Baroque (Rubens, Van Dyck, Jordaens...)
- Camden Group

With the Danish Golden Age.

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Hi, I've been here as a member for a few weeks and enjoyed contributing.

I would like to see Tonalism added as a movement.  It was most prevalent from 1870 to 1920.

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smallberries wrote:

Hi, I've been here as a member for a few weeks and enjoyed contributing.

I would like to see Tonalism added as a movement.  It was most prevalent from 1870 to 1920.

Hi smallberries,

I think that Tonalism is a bit too close to Impressionism to create a new movement page. Just label the artists associated with it under Impressionism. If you want, you can write a more accurate description of their style on their page and mention they were Tonalists.

Josselin.

46 (edited by Josselin 2014-05-14 19:36:39)

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Chris,

I found the code to add pictures on the movement page with redactor. See the result here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/mvmt/detail.php?id=12
I had to leave some blanks because the system doesn't allow successive returns (<p></p>). It could help if you deactivate this automatic formatting.
Otherwise it looks pretty good, I also added links on the pictures to see the detail pages.

Ideally, we should be able to add the picture descriptions in a box stuck to the picture, but I had to write them as normal text.

Josselin

Edit: I'm writing the description for Neoclassicism
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/mvmt/detail.php?id=9

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Dear Josselin- magnificent tool you and Chris are developing- I've wanted to isolate/appreciate collectively Barbizan for example- and main protagonists influencing (Stevens) Manet and his modernist Pupil- who refused association with Impressionism.. how might they (defining colourists) with so much subsequent influence be categorized?
You might have to overlap as you anticipated. It would be nice if 'surrealism' could be linked to Turner too, because he influenced so many contemporaries, even young Landseer (the romantic rebel beyond bounds).
It's said it was young Millais (Apollo of next British movement), during his first year at RA admiring the feathers of a peacock while visiting Landseer's studio at Swiss Cottage , the Lion-tamer whipped out a loop and beamed; 'take a look at his eye!'. So born 'the peacock's eye' expression associated with Pre-Raphalite.
Hope funny if not useful.

Love one maker more than any other, absorb and understand them, then see the differences in all art.

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kobrinbooks wrote:

Dear Josselin- magnificent tool you and Chris are developing- I've wanted to isolate/appreciate collectively Barbizan for example- and main protagonists influencing (Stevens) Manet and his modernist Pupil- who refused association with Impressionism.. how might they (defining colourists) with so much subsequent influence be categorized?
You might have to overlap as you anticipated. It would be nice if 'surrealism' could be linked to Turner too, because he influenced so many contemporaries, even young Landseer (the romantic rebel beyond bounds).
It's said it was young Millais (Apollo of next British movement), during his first year at RA admiring the feathers of a peacock while visiting Landseer's studio at Swiss Cottage , the Lion-tamer whipped out a loop and beamed; 'take a look at his eye!'. So born 'the peacock's eye' expression associated with Pre-Raphalite.
Hope funny if not useful.

Hi James,
This part of the site (art movements) is still incomplete. In the future, the list of artists related to an art movement will be displayed differently (with 'leaders', 'related artists', etc.).
I have started to write some descriptions of the movements in order to give an outline of their influences and purpose, and sort the artists according to their importance. Example here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/mvmt/detail.php?id=9
However I'm not a specialist of Modern painting (principally Old Masters), so I cannot really speak for the preraphs and impressionists.

Josselin.