Re: Duplicates

kohn1fox wrote:

The artist is Henry Bacon who exists in the system (along with this artwork that has been duplicated). I will action.

Action completed.  The 3 duplicates have been replaced with works by George Frederick Watts.  The text against the image has been edited and added to the existing artist page for Henry Bacon

152 (edited by kohn1fox 2014-02-25 01:20:33)

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Josselin,

I think we need to take action, if possible, when we discover duplicates such as these, otherwise they will be lost in the system.

The examples above were created by the same uploader and it appears that not enough care was taken when checking existing artists.

153 (edited by kohn1fox 2014-02-25 01:55:40)

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Action taken.  This resulted in some duplications which have been replaced.

The duplicate artist entry has disappeared.

154 (edited by Josselin 2014-02-25 05:32:22)

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Hi Graham,

I'm reluctant to replace duplicates because of the link problem I mentioned. I hope Chris will grant us the possibility to "delete things"; it will be faster and simply better.

New duplicate found:
Dirck Hals: Music-Making Company on a Terrace
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38806
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38809

It seems that member Laure9, who posted may pictures of the Renaissance and Baroque, put indistinctly into 'Private collection' every artwork for which the museum entry was not created, instead of 'Unknown owner' or creating a page for the museum. Moreover, many of her entries are actually works done by pupils or followers. Lot of work to fix that...
Here is an example: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?id=37355
This painting was made by Giampietrino (a pupil of Leonardo) and is not in private hands, but in the Royal Academy of Arts of London.

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Rembrandt - Self Portrait as a Young Man:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=31895
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=32387

Fra Filippo Lippi - St Luke the Evangelist:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38358
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38357

156 (edited by kohn1fox 2014-02-25 08:25:58)

Re: Duplicates

Josselin wrote:

Hi Graham,

I'm reluctant to replace duplicates because of the link problem I mentioned. I hope Chris will grant us the possibility to "delete things"; it will be faster and simply better.

I am always careful when it comes to replacing a duplicated work with another work.  By links, do you mean the tags that sometimes accompany a work?  Example would be the duplicated Rembrandt Self Portrait (which cannot be replaced except by another self portrait and all known self portraits are already in the system).

I see no problem if the work in question is isolated without any links (and most are like this).

Chris,

Is it possible to permit us to delete entries (duplications of works/artists) rather than listing them as Josselin and others do?  I'm afraid that the lists get so long that they will be overlooked if early action is not taken?

Re: Duplicates

Josselin wrote:

Hi Graham,


Moreover, many of her entries are actually works done by pupils or followers. Lot of work to fix that...
Here is an example: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?id=37355
This painting was made by Giampietrino (a pupil of Leonardo) and is not in private hands, but in the Royal Academy of Arts of London.

Thanks Josselin for uncovering so many mistakes, especially this last big one.  Oh, I wish the Royal Academy had the Last Supper by Leonardo!!  This is indeed by a pupil and we can now describe this in the artist heading, thanks to Chris's work on the website.

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Josselin,

You mentioned the inability to replace duplicates when they have links (tags).  The above examples you presented show only one entry with links.  So the other entry that has no links could be replaced?  Do you agree?

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kohn1fox wrote:

Josselin,

You mentioned the inability to replace duplicates when they have links (tags).  The above examples you presented show only one entry with links.  So the other entry that has no links could be replaced?  Do you agree?

By the links problem, I also mean people from other websites who put links to the Athenaeum. If someone clicks on a link which leads to a modified entry, it will confuse him. I prefer to find a deleted page than a different one.

Re: Duplicates

kohn1fox wrote:
Josselin wrote:

Hi Graham,


Moreover, many of her entries are actually works done by pupils or followers. Lot of work to fix that...
Here is an example: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?id=37355
This painting was made by Giampietrino (a pupil of Leonardo) and is not in private hands, but in the Royal Academy of Arts of London.

Thanks Josselin for uncovering so many mistakes, especially this last big one.  Oh, I wish the Royal Academy had the Last Supper by Leonardo!!  This is indeed by a pupil and we can now describe this in the artist heading, thanks to Chris's work on the website.

Yes, I was surprised that Raphael had nearly 100 artworks in private collection! I moved them to the Apostolic Palace.

161 (edited by Josselin 2014-02-27 04:51:22)

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Graham,
The Musee des Beaux Arts - Aix-en-Provence and the Musee Granet are the same museum.
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=400
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=2572
Be careful, French museum often have several names, especially in the provinces. Moreover, they sometimes change their names.

162 (edited by kohn1fox 2014-02-27 05:34:50)

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Oh dear.  Thanks for spotting this.  I am aware of the Musee Granet (it houses an important Ingres work).  Most French museums are entitled the same (with a few exceptions) - Musee des Beaux Arts..... - and I checked but could not find an entry for Aix (which I thought unusual)!

I will deal.

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Eugène Delacroix - Cliffs at Étretat:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=62513
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=21740

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Graham,
You have the list of French museums here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_m … n%C3%A7ais

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Greenville Museum of Art:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1824
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=579

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Fra Filippo Lippi

http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38339
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=38370

Re: Duplicates

@Graham
you created a duplicate for the Rijksmuseum Twenthe: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=2586

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Josselin wrote:

@Graham
you created a duplicate for the Rijksmuseum Twenthe: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=2586

Yes I know.  That has been deleted and works transferred to the existing museum

169 (edited by kohn1fox 2014-03-03 12:59:04)

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kohn1fox wrote:
Josselin wrote:

@Graham
you created a duplicate for the Rijksmuseum Twenthe: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=2586

Yes I know.  That has been deleted and works transferred to the existing museum

Josselin,

As a postcript, I should explain how this came about:

There was no town against the name Rijksmuseum Twenthe and I therefore assumed it was a museum in Amsterdam.  I then attempted to amend the title name, - thus 'Rijksmuseum Twenthe - Enschede'.  When I went to correct the existing title, 'Rijksmuseum Twenthe' by adding the town - Enschede, the site did not accept it.  For some unknown and uncanny reason this happens with a number of museum entries.  I then had to change the title to 'Enschede - Rijksmuseum Twenthe', as this wording was the only acceptable form, which it now is.

This is unfortunate since any future entries will look for Rijksmuseum Twenthe and not Enschede in the alphabetical listing.  But you may wish to try changing the title to 'Rijksmuseum Twenthe - Enschede' to see if it works your end.

The problem here that I have raised previously is that the original title still appears in the dropdown list of museums and this will attract future entries.  It's the same problem with a number of museums that have changed names etc.  I hope Chris can rectify this and remove the old titles.

Not many people will know where this museum is located without the town name in the title.  There are numerous obscure museum names on this website.

170 (edited by Josselin 2014-05-16 08:27:56)

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Graham,
Yes, sometimes the system doesn't allow to amend a museum. I think the Google Maps feature is to blame when it doesn't find the address. Try to copy/paste the address of the museum in the textbox; sometime it works.

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A classic example of a museum entry where it doesn't accept the city is Albright-Knox Museum in Buffalo.  I know it's Buffalo but few people would.  It's also one of the first to feature in the alphabetical listing.

I have attempted to add - Buffalo in the title for this museum, but it doesn't accept it.  Strange as the Google map it produces is correct.

Re: Duplicates

kohn1fox wrote:

A classic example of a museum entry where it doesn't accept the city is Albright-Knox Museum in Buffalo.  I know it's Buffalo but few people would.  It's also one of the first to feature in the alphabetical listing.

I have attempted to add - Buffalo in the title for this museum, but it doesn't accept it.  Strange as the Google map it produces is correct.

I also tried to edit this one. big_smile

Re: Duplicates

To Schroetterjoseph

Ludlow Bakhuisen already exists with 75 works.  You have created a duplicate.

Grateful if you would transfer/delete as appropriate.

Thanks

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I think you will find that all your entries for Ludolf Bakhuizen are duplicates of paintings on the website.

Re: Duplicates

kohn1fox wrote:

To Schroetterjoseph

Ludlow Bakhuisen already exists with 75 works.  You have created a duplicate.

Grateful if you would transfer/delete as appropriate.

Thanks

The artist is Ludolf Bakhuizen.  Name was incorrect on my tablet.