1 (edited by Josselin 2013-07-14 05:58:21)

Topic: bugs with artists

Hello Chris,
I spotted a new bug in the editing page for an artist. When this artist is associated with an art movement (I think this is the origin of the bug), his nation of birth is reset when editing. I therefore need to set it again each time I change something on the page.
Josselin.

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Hello Josselin,
    I tried this a couple of times today, but I can't get the bug to occur. Can you walk me through the steps that make it happen in a little more detail?

Thanks,
Chris

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Hello Chris,
For example, in this page:
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5433
When I edit it, the nation of birth displays 'none selected' instead of Netherlands. Then, I have to associate the artist with his nation each time I edit a page.

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Thank you for the example - I *think* I have fixed it. Can you check?

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chris_mccormick wrote:

Thank you for the example - I *think* I have fixed it. Can you check?

Fixed!

Thanks.

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Apparently, there is another minor bug related to the art movements. When an artist is associated with two of them, his works are counted twice in a museum page, thrice if he is linked with three movements, etc.
An example there: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/sources/detail.php?id=1923
Anna Ancher has 22 works exhibited in the Skagen museum, but it displays that there are 44 artworks from her.

Consequently, Kandinsky is said to have 104 artworks displayed in the Staedtische Galerie im Lenbachhaus...

Josselin

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Hello Josselin,
    Just got home and saw this. I think I have it fixed. Can you check a few and let me know if you see any further issues?

Thanks,
Chris

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chris_mccormick wrote:

Hello Josselin,
    Just got home and saw this. I think I have it fixed. Can you check a few and let me know if you see any further issues?

Thanks,
Chris

Fixed. Thanks!

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Hello Chris, there is a bug with the function "add a note" in the page of an artist. It displays this:
Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: could not connect to server: No such file or directory Is the server running locally and accepting connections on Unix domain socket "/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432"? in /home/pallas/public_html/shared/php_db/conn.inc on line 2
Can't connect to the database.

Josselin.

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Hello Josselin,
    I have removed that link for now. The goal is that the whole site will use a centralised "discussion" system on major pages - artworks, artists, museums. The one we had on the artwork pages is the style I like, but spammers were hammering that database and slowing down the whole server, so I had to remove it for now.

I've looked a long time for a nice discussion system that is easy to administer. Given our other tasks, it looks like it will be included when we move to the new server. That's not ideal, but I think it's required with the other things we have going on.

I'll let you know when I put discussions back online.

- Chris

11 (edited by Josselin 2013-09-03 01:26:54)

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Would it be possible to add a script which would prevent an artwork from being uploaded if its production dates are outside the artist's lifetime?
I realise that I made some mistakes with these dates and it displays negative or improbable ages of completion for artists when such dates are entered (it is usually errors with the century figure).

I think you will spot many bugs if you write this code...

A good example here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=103511
Utrillo is said to have painted this artwork at -871 years old!

Josselin

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There is a wrong image connected with Henri Adrien Tanoux (http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1477) but I cannot remove it.

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There appears to be a major duplication in the name Agnolo Bronzino (Agnolo di Cosimo 1503-1572) and Pontormo (Jacopo Carucci 1494-1557).

When one enters Pontormo (aka Jacopo Carucci) the website takes you to Bronzino.  There are in fact two websites for Bronzino.  They are TWO different artists.  So the works of Pontormo are not shown.

Furthermore the dates of birth for 'Pontormo' are wrong.  When entering Pontormo the list of works refers to Bronzino.

There needs to be a new entry for Pontormo, but I cannot do this as a webpage already exists.

Any suggestions?

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Hello Graham,

I only found this Bronzino: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1625
And the Pontormo you speak of:  http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=88213
The second is an artwork and not an artist. I didn't find another Potormo, so you would be able to create a page for him.

It would help me if you could post the links. You can do this by right-clicking on the links in the titles of artworks or persons in the lists. ("copy link address", then "paste" here)

15 (edited by kohn1fox 2013-08-07 05:55:47)

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Hi Josselin

I must have been sleepy or a lapse of concentration.  I was trying to understand why Pontormo took me to Bronzino.  I didn't think that the work was a portrait by Bronzino of Pontormo!!

I am rather surprised that no entry exists for Pontormo as he was one of the major mannerists.

I work on Windows Explorer and couldn't find a link against the work/artist but I will have another look when I find a duplication and see if it works.

Thanks again for solving this oversight.

Graham

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Yes, records are scarce for old masters, especially compared to the Impressionists/expressionists. Thanks for uploading them. For my part, I essentially care of 18-19th century painters.

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Yes I'm expanding and creating pages for many of the earlier artists for which there is not much on here.  There is not much that has not already been entered for the impressionists, of which there are so many entries!  There is an enormous number of 'private collections' for the 19th century artists and I wonder whether this is correct or if one simply doesn't know where they are housed.

There needs to be some cross referencing for some painters though.  I have been searching Tintoretto (Jacopo Robusti) and the search engine does not locate under 'Tintoretto' or 'Robusti' but if one enters 'Jacopo' he is listed along with other names. Odd?  I have a self portrait to insert against Tintoretto but the index of names (for inserting a picture)does not list him. Strange.

It is all a little strange since he is universally known as Tintoretto.  And, there are few entries to him although he ranks as one of the most important 16th century Venetian artists.

How can we make the search engine better?   

I have also been busy 'cleaning up' the duplicate entries under Paul Cezanne.  Most of these appeared in 2003 by Rocsdad and I'm at a loss to understand why so many were entered twice (perhaps a hitch in the system then).

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And another artist that could be cross-referenced is Titian, shown on here as 'Vecellio, Tiziano'

19 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-30 03:39:30)

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About the large number of Private collections, I think there isn't any problem; rocsdad seems to take his pictures from auctions catalogues and modern (1870-1940) painters are the most frequent artists to be sold there. As he has uploaded pictures for more than a decade, you have the explanation of this incredible amount of entries.

I already spoke to Chris about how the artists/artworks are displayed, but he's busy with the new server on which he's moving the site. I hope he will care of this after being done with it.

I agree that the system is tricky for artists better known under nicknames or their first name.
To better find famous artists, I recommend you to search through this list: www.the-athenaeum.org/art/movements.php
which sorts them by art movements. So Tintoretto is classified under Mannerism - submovement of Renaissance.
I wrote most of the texts and linked all the artists I could relate with an art movement. If you want to discuss of this list (I'd like to have your statement), there is a thread here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/forum/view … 67&p=2

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Josselin

Thanks for this.  I am really impressed with this website and came across it via Wikipaintings when I was researching an artist.  It is much appreciated for the dedication shown by those who have created it and continue to expand it.  As you say, an enormous output of works.

I cannot find how I get to the listing of movements from the home page?  I have tried all titles/entries.  Is the only access via www.the-athenaeum.org/art/movements.php?

Graham

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Hello Graham,
Chris removed the movements list from the main page as it has grown too much (!) and the displaying is a little confused.

22 (edited by Josselin 2013-08-30 03:45:47)

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There is a bug when clicking on autoportraits in an artist's page. It displays a white box with this written:
Warning: require_once(shared/php_db/conn8.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/arachne/public_html/art/preview.php on line 9

Fatal error: require_once(): Failed opening required 'shared/php_db/conn8.inc' (include_path='/home/pallas/public_html/') in /home/arachne/public_html/art/preview.php on line 9

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Irene

There were four works entered under Joseph Wright of Derby, as being in Tate Britain.  They are not in that museum nor in any public museum/art gallery in the UK.  I'm not sure if they are even by Wright of Derby.  I checked to see if they were by Richard Wilson, as he painted similar works as J.W of Derby and both artists were 18th century.  But they were not listed  by him as being in the UK.  I have therefore placed these works as 'whereabouts unknown'.

I would be interested to know where you got the information that the works are by Joseph Wright of Derby and were in Tate Britain.

Graham

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kohn1fox,
I don't know what artworks you are talking about, but all the six of them  were taken from Tate's website http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/jose … -derby-615

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Irene,

I see that three of the paintings are on loan to the Tate and therefore not their ownership.  These are:

http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?id=60455
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=60462
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=60458

I have placed them as private and notated on long term loan to the Tate - Britain, but I am not sure if this is the answer since a lot of artworks are on loan in British collections (the National Gallery always shows loan works).

I have no idea where the following artworks are but thay may have previously been held as loan works at the Tate but are no longer there.

http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=60461
http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=61196


If the description 'on long term loan to the Tate - Britain' is best removed then do so.  We should really be including those works that form part of a permanent collection?