(1 replies, posted in Identifying and Valuing Artworks)

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(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

I have combined the college collections of London University to a new museum entry - 'University of London' (with a note indicating which college).  I see no point in creating separate London University college collections, which belong to London University. Holloway College and Uni of Roehampton should be removed from the drop-down list (they no longer appear in the listing of museums).


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Josselin wrote:
kohn1fox wrote:

The Hermitage in Saint Petersburg has been renamed in it's proper title 'The State Hermitage Museum' .  The alphabetical listing is therefore shown under 'T' but the site identifies 'Hermitage' when entered under an artwork.

I put back 'Hermitage Museum', because the dropdown menu doesn't list it if you just type 'Hermitage' in the search box; it only lists the Hermitage in Norfolk and Switzerland.

I'm happy to accept your explanation and to reinstate the title but it is actually incorrect;  the same applies to other State museums in the Russian Federation.

However if one types in 'Hermitage' it will find it under The State .....  Same applies to the State Russian Museum.

I don't tend to use a drop down list as it is now too exhaustive.  I type in a search word in the title and it will find it.  Example: natgalscot will bring up the National Gallery of Scotland.


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The Hermitage in Saint Petersburg has been renamed in it's proper title 'The State Hermitage Museum' .  The alphabetical listing is therefore shown under 'T' but the site identifies 'Hermitage' when entered under an artwork.


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

There is already a listing for Jan Brueghel (the Elder).  The works entered have been transferred to the existing person.  The newly created artist Jan Brueghel should be removed.

chris_mccormick wrote:
kkvk wrote:

Its really fast now, thank you.

One small bug:
Its a good idea to offer 'Unkown' in the 'Search all owners' List as a default. But not 'Royal Collection Trust (use if location is unknown)'. I think, you select as default everything that contains an 'unkown'. But it should be equals  to 'unkown' (ignoring case).

By the way, i inserted this 'Royal Collection Trust (use if location is unknown)' museum entry, because i had an artwork that i knew it is from the Royal Collection Trust, but i don't know, from which place exactly. So i entered this as fallback-Museum for the Royal Collection Trust. Is this right way to do it?

Glad it's working better! For the Royal Collection - Unknown issue, I just changed the name to "not known" instead. The search box is searching for "Unknown" and finding that "museum". It was easier to change the name than to make the search box not search only in that one special case.

Hope that helps,

I have entered a large number of works from the Royal Collection.  The website (very good) does not indicate where the work is housed but most are held in Windsor and Buckingham Palace.  These are NOT open to the public except on special occasions and/or when a selection of works are exhibited at the Queen's Gallery (there is always an exhibition based on a theme at this gallery). 

I am not keen on having a separate heading for 'Unknown location' as this confuses the issue.  In fact the only two entries recently placed under this category are I) a painting from the Courtauld Gallery (nothing to do with the Royal Collection) and a Holbein drawing (held at Windsor, where most of the Holbeins are kept).

If users are not happy with the current presentation, I suggest we have one entry (Royal Collection Trust) and leave it at that.  My previous entries are mostly between the two residences I mentioned above, but since some works are moved around it is always going to be difficult to know where they are housed at any particular time.  However, since the majority of works are not open to the public, I see little point in moving the current locations.


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Having looked through the inventories for the Hermitage, there are some portraits and city views by Russian artists but the large majority of Russian works are consigned to the Russian Museum in the same city.  The Hermitage is a depository for most other art objects including classical and Asian.


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

I have noticed that a very large number of Russian paintings were entered under the Hermitage, St Petersburg instead of the State Russian Museum, St Petersburg (or the Russian Museum).  The Hermitage contains foreign (European) works of art and the State Russian Museum holds Russian works and probably the greatest collection in Russia.

I intend to gradually transfer Russian art works from the Hermitage to their rightful ownership.


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

On occasions the server does not appear to pick up a submission and an error message is posted.  If a second and successful entry is submitted this often leads to a duplication of the image and it is recommended that the uploader checks against the listing of entries to establish if a duplicate of the entry has appeared.

This is often the case with entries I make when the server is not performing well.  It is important to ensure that you have not entered the same work twice.


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The two works in the first entry have been transferred.  The 'empty' museum should be removed from the list.


(34 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Josselin wrote:

Should I create museum entries for well established private collections such as the one in Burghley House, or the Barnes foundation?

After all, the British Royal collection or the Liechtenstein collection are private collections and have "museums" on the site...

Yes I think so.  Both examples are open to the public (the Barnes has a large collection of Impressionists).  There is an entry for Woburn Abbey which is in a similar category.


(34 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Josselin wrote:

Well commercial galleries shouldn't be there as their artworks will move once sold.
On the other hand, Burghley House owns some artworks for centuries. The problem with these "museums" is that their catalogues aren't always up to date. So we never know if an artwork is still located there since they sometimes "discretely" sell some of their belongings through private transactions, whereas official museums are usually not allowed to do so. For example, even for a famous collection such as the Royal collection, there is always a doubt on the location of an artwork (is it in Buckingham or Hampdon Court?...)

In respect of the Royal Collection, it may have been best to have had one museum entry - 'Royal Collection Trust' but this would remain ambiguous (not that that matters as the majority of works are not on public display and are 'private').

I have tried to ascertain where each artwork is located but the Royal Collection website (which is excellent) doesn't usually state the whereabouts - that is probably due to the collection being moved from one property to another or to the Queen's Gallery, London, where public exhibitions are held.

A few works are permanently held in a particular property (Hampton Court Palace, St James's Palace and the Palace of  Holyroodhouse).  The major dilemma on location is between Buckingham Palace and Windsor.


(34 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Re the above:  It seems sensible to me to have separate museums and not to place all artworks under the one cumulative title.  Modern works (one of which is included in the above museum title) should be allocated to the neue gallerie and not to the alte meister museum.  Dresden and Munich are similar examples where artworks need to be split between old masters and 19th century onwards.


(3 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The above messages are usually when the server is down or sluggish.  Patience generally wins the day.


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Kohn1fox has removed his entries but it is up to Josselin to now delete her entries, otherwise confusion reigns


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Ok but it depends on the originator taking action.  No action from me for a while as I am in the Baltic.


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

kohn1fox wrote:

The following are duplicates:



One image has better colour

Action taken to remove entries by Kohn1fox (but original entries remain).

How does one remove the tags from a duplicated work as in the above example?


(34 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

There appear to be a large number of small museums and [private/commercial] galleries being entered onto this website.  But I'm not sure if they should be here.  There are hundreds such galleries in London for example but they are commercial enterprises and basically advertise and sell works of art.

My entries are all recognized public museums and institutions.

Where do we draw the line?


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Josselin wrote:

You have a delete button at the bottom right of your messages.

I see only a delete button for the response entry, so if that were deleted the original message remains?  Example you indicate a duplicate entry.  I delete one entry and post a reply under your quote.  I can delete my reply but your original entry about the duplication remains?

I guess it doesn't matter since one of the entries has already been replaced but the original message is still showing as a message.

Am I missing something?


(226 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

How does one delete the original entry?  I see only the quote response for deletion.  Can only the originator of the message delete?  If so, then if I delete my replies the original message remains and will be confusing.


(1 replies, posted in Site news and updates)

Josselin wrote:

In the future, I would like to see a feature to sign the texts written by members. Graham and I have added many biographical texts for artists and informative texts for artworks and art movements and received no credit for that whilst a member who uploaded an image is credited on the artwork page.

I also think there should be a mention somewhere that an artist has his biography written by a member (maybe a symbol next to his name in the lists?).

For the record, here is the list of artists with a significant biography:

Amigoni http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6078
Artemisia http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1630
Baudouin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5660
Beaufort http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6724
Berthélemy http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6173
Bouguereau http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=380
Boullogne (Bon) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6105
Boullogne (Madeleine) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6125
Boullogne the Elder http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6124
Boullogne the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6106
Broc http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5477
Carriera http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4211
Cazes http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5578
Cignaroli http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=3215
Colombel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2181
Courtin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5657
Coypel I http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6889
Coypel II http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6161
Coypel III http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6155
Coypel IV http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6898
Coysevox http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6875
Daret http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4345
David http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1959
Deshays de Colleville http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5689
Drouais http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5671
Dufresnoy http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6964
Duqueylard http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6149
Giaquinto http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3659
Girodet http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4525
Godward http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=230
Guillon-Lethiere http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5679
Hallé http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5705
Houasse http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6705
Ingres http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=405
Lagrenée the Elder http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5480
Lagrenée the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6130
La Hyre http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2929
Ledart III http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6913
Lemaire http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3100
Le Sueur http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5526
Mauperché http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2458
Natoire http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5566
Poussin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3559
Quays http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6164
Ranc http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5449
Rigaud http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=300
Schall http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=2562
Thierry the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6886
Tiepolo (Giovanni Battista) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5430
Topino-Lebrun http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6162
Vernet http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1639
Vien http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6118
Vleughels http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6131

To be updated

Yes I tend to agree.  Most of the above has been added by Josselin (not me) although I have entered several biographies and continue to do so.  I also add some descriptive text to artworks as and when I come across something.  It is a laborious task and is ongoing slowly (entries of artworks take precedence for me).  I have today added some text for Bernardo Strozzi (biographical and for some of his works) but for many artists - especially the early ones - not much can be written.

Josselin has done a marvelous job in expanding this website with important information and credit should not be unrewarded.

I have also edited and provided many facts to countless works.  As I stated earlier, it would be useful if the editorial uploader was mentioned when an edit is made.


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Josselin wrote:
kohn1fox wrote:

The new 'menu' dropdown listing is great but I note that some towns/cities show an incorrect country (although correct in the main index).  I have even come across (Guinea) as a country instead of Italy !  The latest is Saint Bavo Cathedral in Ghent, Belgium, that shows the country (Ireland).

I will highlight others I come across.

Yeah I noted some of these strange locations. I think the database is a bit confused by the amount of countries. Maybe we could remove from the list all the tiny countries which don't have art museums (mostly Africans, and also French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Guam, Greenland, Vanuatu and so on).
The list of nations is here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/nations/list.php

I agree that there are a lot of countries that could be deleted and many African countries is an example.


(127 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The new 'menu' dropdown listing is great but I note that some towns/cities show an incorrect country (although correct in the main index).  I have even come across (Guinea) as a country instead of Italy !  The latest is Saint Bavo Cathedral in Ghent, Belgium, that shows the country (Ireland).

I will highlight others I come across.


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

As I suggested a few weeks back, it would be useful if Chris could add under sculpture (materials) - plaster and terracotta (which is a type of fired clay). I am currently using 'other'.  Thanks.


(121 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

For some reason the webpage wil not allow me to enter an artwork to a newly created artist.  I have works to enter under BRUYN, Bartolommaeus, but it will not open???