(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Having looked through the inventories for the Hermitage, there are some portraits and city views by Russian artists but the large majority of Russian works are consigned to the Russian Museum in the same city.  The Hermitage is a depository for most other art objects including classical and Asian.


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

I have noticed that a very large number of Russian paintings were entered under the Hermitage, St Petersburg instead of the State Russian Museum, St Petersburg (or the Russian Museum).  The Hermitage contains foreign (European) works of art and the State Russian Museum holds Russian works and probably the greatest collection in Russia.

I intend to gradually transfer Russian art works from the Hermitage to their rightful ownership.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

On occasions the server does not appear to pick up a submission and an error message is posted.  If a second and successful entry is submitted this often leads to a duplication of the image and it is recommended that the uploader checks against the listing of entries to establish if a duplicate of the entry has appeared.

This is often the case with entries I make when the server is not performing well.  It is important to ensure that you have not entered the same work twice.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The two works in the first entry have been transferred.  The 'empty' museum should be removed from the list.


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Josselin wrote:

Should I create museum entries for well established private collections such as the one in Burghley House, or the Barnes foundation?

After all, the British Royal collection or the Liechtenstein collection are private collections and have "museums" on the site...

Yes I think so.  Both examples are open to the public (the Barnes has a large collection of Impressionists).  There is an entry for Woburn Abbey which is in a similar category.


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Josselin wrote:

Well commercial galleries shouldn't be there as their artworks will move once sold.
On the other hand, Burghley House owns some artworks for centuries. The problem with these "museums" is that their catalogues aren't always up to date. So we never know if an artwork is still located there since they sometimes "discretely" sell some of their belongings through private transactions, whereas official museums are usually not allowed to do so. For example, even for a famous collection such as the Royal collection, there is always a doubt on the location of an artwork (is it in Buckingham or Hampdon Court?...)

In respect of the Royal Collection, it may have been best to have had one museum entry - 'Royal Collection Trust' but this would remain ambiguous (not that that matters as the majority of works are not on public display and are 'private').

I have tried to ascertain where each artwork is located but the Royal Collection website (which is excellent) doesn't usually state the whereabouts - that is probably due to the collection being moved from one property to another or to the Queen's Gallery, London, where public exhibitions are held.

A few works are permanently held in a particular property (Hampton Court Palace, St James's Palace and the Palace of  Holyroodhouse).  The major dilemma on location is between Buckingham Palace and Windsor.


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

Re the above:  It seems sensible to me to have separate museums and not to place all artworks under the one cumulative title.  Modern works (one of which is included in the above museum title) should be allocated to the neue gallerie and not to the alte meister museum.  Dresden and Munich are similar examples where artworks need to be split between old masters and 19th century onwards.


(2 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The above messages are usually when the server is down or sluggish.  Patience generally wins the day.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Kohn1fox has removed his entries but it is up to Josselin to now delete her entries, otherwise confusion reigns


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Ok but it depends on the originator taking action.  No action from me for a while as I am in the Baltic.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

kohn1fox wrote:

The following are duplicates:



One image has better colour

Action taken to remove entries by Kohn1fox (but original entries remain).

How does one remove the tags from a duplicated work as in the above example?


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

There appear to be a large number of small museums and [private/commercial] galleries being entered onto this website.  But I'm not sure if they should be here.  There are hundreds such galleries in London for example but they are commercial enterprises and basically advertise and sell works of art.

My entries are all recognized public museums and institutions.

Where do we draw the line?


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Josselin wrote:

You have a delete button at the bottom right of your messages.

I see only a delete button for the response entry, so if that were deleted the original message remains?  Example you indicate a duplicate entry.  I delete one entry and post a reply under your quote.  I can delete my reply but your original entry about the duplication remains?

I guess it doesn't matter since one of the entries has already been replaced but the original message is still showing as a message.

Am I missing something?


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

How does one delete the original entry?  I see only the quote response for deletion.  Can only the originator of the message delete?  If so, then if I delete my replies the original message remains and will be confusing.


(1 replies, posted in Site news and updates)

Josselin wrote:

In the future, I would like to see a feature to sign the texts written by members. Graham and I have added many biographical texts for artists and informative texts for artworks and art movements and received no credit for that whilst a member who uploaded an image is credited on the artwork page.

I also think there should be a mention somewhere that an artist has his biography written by a member (maybe a symbol next to his name in the lists?).

For the record, here is the list of artists with a significant biography:

Amigoni http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6078
Artemisia http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1630
Baudouin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5660
Beaufort http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6724
Berthélemy http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6173
Bouguereau http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=380
Boullogne (Bon) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6105
Boullogne (Madeleine) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6125
Boullogne the Elder http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6124
Boullogne the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6106
Broc http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5477
Carriera http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4211
Cazes http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5578
Cignaroli http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=3215
Colombel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2181
Courtin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5657
Coypel I http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6889
Coypel II http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6161
Coypel III http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6155
Coypel IV http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6898
Coysevox http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6875
Daret http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4345
David http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1959
Deshays de Colleville http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5689
Drouais http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5671
Dufresnoy http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6964
Duqueylard http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6149
Giaquinto http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3659
Girodet http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=4525
Godward http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=230
Guillon-Lethiere http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5679
Hallé http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5705
Houasse http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6705
Ingres http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=405
Lagrenée the Elder http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5480
Lagrenée the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6130
La Hyre http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2929
Ledart III http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6913
Lemaire http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3100
Le Sueur http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5526
Mauperché http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=2458
Natoire http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5566
Poussin http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=3559
Quays http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6164
Ranc http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=5449
Rigaud http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=300
Schall http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=2562
Thierry the Younger http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6886
Tiepolo (Giovanni Battista) http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=5430
Topino-Lebrun http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6162
Vernet http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=1639
Vien http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?ID=6118
Vleughels http://www.the-athenaeum.org/people/detail.php?id=6131

To be updated

Yes I tend to agree.  Most of the above has been added by Josselin (not me) although I have entered several biographies and continue to do so.  I also add some descriptive text to artworks as and when I come across something.  It is a laborious task and is ongoing slowly (entries of artworks take precedence for me).  I have today added some text for Bernardo Strozzi (biographical and for some of his works) but for many artists - especially the early ones - not much can be written.

Josselin has done a marvelous job in expanding this website with important information and credit should not be unrewarded.

I have also edited and provided many facts to countless works.  As I stated earlier, it would be useful if the editorial uploader was mentioned when an edit is made.


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Josselin wrote:
kohn1fox wrote:

The new 'menu' dropdown listing is great but I note that some towns/cities show an incorrect country (although correct in the main index).  I have even come across (Guinea) as a country instead of Italy !  The latest is Saint Bavo Cathedral in Ghent, Belgium, that shows the country (Ireland).

I will highlight others I come across.

Yeah I noted some of these strange locations. I think the database is a bit confused by the amount of countries. Maybe we could remove from the list all the tiny countries which don't have art museums (mostly Africans, and also French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Guam, Greenland, Vanuatu and so on).
The list of nations is here: http://www.the-athenaeum.org/nations/list.php

I agree that there are a lot of countries that could be deleted and many African countries is an example.


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

The new 'menu' dropdown listing is great but I note that some towns/cities show an incorrect country (although correct in the main index).  I have even come across (Guinea) as a country instead of Italy !  The latest is Saint Bavo Cathedral in Ghent, Belgium, that shows the country (Ireland).

I will highlight others I come across.


(13 replies, posted in Suggestions from users)

As I suggested a few weeks back, it would be useful if Chris could add under sculpture (materials) - plaster and terracotta (which is a type of fired clay). I am currently using 'other'.  Thanks.


(121 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

For some reason the webpage wil not allow me to enter an artwork to a newly created artist.  I have works to enter under BRUYN, Bartolommaeus, but it will not open???


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Franz Alt is the younger brother of Rudolf von Alt.


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

There is an entry for 'Churches - Italy' (and similarly for Belgium and France).  Works of art that are displayed in small, relatively obscure churches can be entered under one of these titles.  The same could apply to Germany.

I have transferred frescos that were under 'unknown' to the appropriate church.


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

I have come across Italian works placed in the National Gallery, Budapest.  This gallery is for Hungarian 'national' works.  European works belong in the Museum of Fine Arts - Budapest, for which there is a museum entry.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)


The six works transferred to the correct artist (3 of these were duplicates and have been replaced by different works).

The newer artist page replaced with another artist, Lippo Memmi.


(220 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Henry Percy Gray:

Works transferred to full name of artist and the other entry renamed 'Master of 1518'


(120 replies, posted in Bug reporting)

Empty museum page now replaced with Bonnefanten Museum - Maastricht.